New Rule Skips have to do the Score Cards

[snapper]

Well Folks

I came home smiling today I have only just heard the news that from next Season Indoors and Outdoors the Skips have to do the Score Cards,
As a lead I am left kicking bowls back as the number two does the card and a lot of the time am the only person left kicking bowls back, epically at the beginning of the Season when we are not allowed pushers because of damage to the green.

So this Summer No more giving the Jack Away and The Skip does the Score Card.

Can you see me Smiling:D:D

[Barbie]

And not before time I get fed up trying to fill in a score card and help kick back Bowls as my Skip stands up the other end chatting,
Best news I have heard for a long time and no giving the Jack away, at least Bowls England have got something right.

[John]

All right saying that but it will cause problems!

With the card not being at the business end and all the skip sees is the pathetic fingers in the air, which he can't see it will cause problems and confusion!

No doubt it will go back to number 2 doing the card just like giving the jack away!:eek:

[Ares]

In triples having the skips do the score card is a good idea, as I have played in matches when one team skips keeps the score and on the other team the number two has the score card. However in rinks play I think that the number two should carry on keeping the score.

[keith]

Hi Ares,
Can't see the difference between triples & fours why the skip shouldn't have the score card in both formats.

Although I do understand about communication between the counting end & the skip, my experience is that the skips will be shouting down 'How many was that' many times during the game.
Think most skips will come up to the head which will slow the game down!!

[Barbie]

Only Problem I can see is most of the Skips I play with are deaf and pretend they aren't,
The shouting that goes on is ridiculous sometimes you feel like an interpreter in an old peoples home, but I suppose with two Skips up the other end keeping score one of them is bound to get it right.


I Think ? ? ?
:roll:

[Swordfish]

Speaking as someone who plays number two a lot, i personally think its best when the score cards are left to the number twos as it makes the game flow better and you don't get any of the confusing hand signals!

[THE UMPIRE]

All right saying that but it will cause problems!

With the card not being at the business end and all the skip sees is the pathetic fingers in the air, which he can't see it will cause problems and confusion!

No doubt it will go back to number 2 doing the card just like giving the jack away!:eek:

Not for the next 4 years. It's a law passed by the WB council and is not negotiable.

[John]

Thanks Umpire, never realized it could be another 4 years.

In our club they are saying the Skips can still delegate the task to the number 2, can't see that working as 1 skip could be doing the card and a number 2 the other, would be more confusion!!!!!

[THE UMPIRE]

Law 37.1.7. the skip should
37.1.7.3 record, on the score card, all shots scored for and
against the team as each end is completed.

37.1.7.4 compare the scorecard with that of the opposing skip
as each end is completed.


Remember that in the laws the word should is mandatory, no delegation allowed.

[John]

Thanks again Umpire,

Trouble is with our language, if they said in the rules

'The Skip WILL keep the card', thats clear no issues,

By saying 'The Skip should keep the card' is not so definite
but agree with you that it is mandatory, will be interesting this year!:wink:

[Beejay]

We have been playing to the new law for a few weeks now and it works brilliantly. For Pennant the skip who loses the end changes the scoreboard and the team change it on the odd end. Everyone knows the position of the game after every end.
The point has definitely been made by Bowls Australia that this is one law which absolutely cannot be delegated.

[edinburghump]

We haven't had the revised rules issued yet (we are having our umpires' meeting in a few weeks where the new rules are being rolled out) so I can't say for certain, but I would think we will be playing to these come the start of the outdoor season.

TBH it does make sense as the skips can not be ignorant of the position of the game (or find that there are errors on the card at a late stage in a game - which has happened), if they are marking and comparing scores every end .

[Brian]

Hi edinburghump,

My Cub has already had a meeting to discus the new rules, obviously a bit premature, considering a County umpire chaired the meeting.

Everyone was quite happy with the changes this one of the skip keeping the card is the one that caused the debate.

Think the post (from OZ) saying the new rules are already in force there and they make certain the score board is updated each & every end, sounds simple and a good idea!!!

[edinburghump]

Are you from Scotland?

If so the new rules are not officially in place - the national umpires liason meeting has not yet taken place at which the new rules are introduced and discussed.

Down South I believe that Bowls England did post the updated rules on their website allowing them to be discussed well in advance.

[Sam1]

Thanks again Umpire,

Trouble is with our language, if they said in the rules

'The Skip WILL keep the card', thats clear no issues,

By saying 'The Skip should keep the card' is not so definite
but agree with you that it is mandatory, will be interesting this year!:wink:

I think the Skips keeping the score card is one of the better ideas the Bowls England has come up with,
I'm sure before our season starts things will be sorted out and we will have a clear understanding of what should happen,
But I do think the wording of this rule be made clear

Sam short for Samantha

[kiwi bowler]

Got am email from my Centre about the major rule changes that will come into force from April 1st, here.

[E T]

Hi Kiwi Bowler,

Are they and different from ours??

No giving the jack away & the Skip keeping the score card???

Expect they are the same?

[kiwi bowler]

LAW CHANGES

The following is a précis of the main law changes that affect the game to be effected in the Laws of the Sport
of Bowls, Crystal Mark Second Edition.
The new law book is at the printers and will be available in February.
The changes will be effective in New Zealand from 1st April 2011.

Please note that there is a general change to the layout of the Law Book in that the dot system has been
replaced by a decimal numbering system throughout.

Main changes are:-

1. ILLEGAL BOWLS (Laws 8.1.9, 8.4, 8.5.3) Bowls from mismatched set or having an incorrect date stamp will no
longer need to be ‘challenged’. (Ref laws 1.4.3 and 56.2.5). In these instances, the umpire should advise their
unsuitability on inspection prior to play and if they are observed being used during a game or are reported as
being used within ten minutes of completion of a game, the game will forfeited.

2. SETS PLAY (Law 15.5.6) If a jack is driven out of bounds, it is respotted on the left, right or in the centre spot
50cm in front of the 2 metre mark depending on where it went out of play. At present, if that spot is covered by a
bowl in play, then the jack is respotted a further 50cm in front of that spot.
This is to be changed so that if the spot to be used is covered by a bowl in play, the jack shall be placed as close as
possible, in front of, but not touching that particular bowl.

3. LENGTH OF GAMES (Law 16.1.3 and 16.2.3) at present, Triples games are 18 ends, regardless of whether it’s two
or three bowls. This is to change so that two bowls games will remain at 18 ends, but three bowl triples will be
fifteen ends.

4. OPTION TO GIVE MAT AND JACK AWAY (Law 18.4) this option will no longer be available. The winner of an end
will have to play first in the following end.

5. DOMESTIC REGULATIONS (Laws 17.1 17.2 and Law 30.4) We have been trialling in competitions which do not
directly or indirectly lead to the winners being awarded a club title or qualifying to compete for a centre, national
or international title the jack and mat could be placed by the opposition after one improper delivery and the jack
could be respotted if driven out of bounds. These become permanent options in domestic non championship
play and in time limit domestic non championship games. An end made dead after the bell need not be replayed.

If any of these are to be used they must be stated in conditions of play
6. SUBSTITUTES,REPLACEMENTS AND PROGRAMME CHANGES. New law 16.3.2 allows Controlling Bodies to
introduce regulations and conditions of play for introducing substitutes which are different to Laws 50 and 51.
Controlling Bodies can also decide on Regulations or conditions of play for introducing Reserve and Replacement
Players. Law 16.3.3. introduces flexibility in programme amendments to ensure a competition can be completed.

7. BOWL IN ORIGINAL COURSE DISPLACED BY A REBOUNDING NON TOUCHER-(Law 28.5.1 ) At present, in a
game of singles, if the players can’t agree where this disturbed bowl would have come to rest, the marker can
decide for them. This will be no longer the case. If they can’t agree, the end will be declared dead. (No change for
bowl at rest)

8. POSITION OF PLAYERS (Law 36.1.2) clearly designates where Players of the team in possession of the rink will be
permitted to stand and where those not in possession of the rink should stand..

9. SCORE CARD. AND DUTIES OF A SKIP (Law 37) The Skip will now keep the score card in all disciplines.

10. 30 MINUTE LIMIT FOR LATENESS (Law 46 ) The Controlling Body now has the option of reducing the time
limit for being late to a time less than 30 minutes but if this is to be used then it must be stated in the conditions
of play.

[snapper]

Really interesting Kiwi thank you very much I see the rule on giving the mat away are the same as here as is the skip keeping the score card,
Only a few things that are different we don't play sets over here outdoors,
But I can see them being introduced

[E T]

Thanks E.T.
Looking forward to the UK's Crystal Edition of the Laws of the Sport.

Do like the one of not giving the Jack away, use to hate the phrase'

'Your Mat'

No good for the spectators, even fellow team members in other rinks wondering who won the end!!:)

[kiwi bowler]

Me too ET, it also wasted a lot of time, with some leads asking there skip all the time: do I keep it or give it away?

[edinburghump]

It did add an element of tactics to the game but certainly could be disruptive.

I know a number of players who would never take the jack as they preferred last bowl but it certainly did confuse folk!

[John]

Won of the best rule reversal, has not changed results much indoor, same old faces seem to win through, takes that bit of aggression away. 'YOUR MAT'!!!