Dress Code

[Roo]

Just when I was enjoying my bowling the old 'fuddy duddies' strike again!!

When you look at games like TENNIS etc, another backward step, what do my fellow Bowlers think, Report Below;

ATTEMPTS to broaden the appeal of lawn bowls have hit a snag with the bowling greens of Queensland proving to be a little conservative when it comes to the latest fashions.

World champion Julie Keegan was told to change her Bowls Australian-sanctioned attire during the state women's championships at Wellers Hill, because it was deemed "too revealing".
Ms Keegan, 43, from the Sunshine Coast, was told by an umpire to change into something "more appropriate" because complaints had been received about her "skort".
Ms Keegan told officials it was an approved garment but she has decided not to wear it to any of her matches since the incident.
"It was amazing," she said yesterday of being confronted on the green. :roll::roll::roll:

[Silver]

Reckon a lot of the ladies are just plain jealous, of a nice pair of legs, good on you girl, pity you had to change.;)

[wrong bias]

bring on the revealing clothes,what a boost to the membership that would be,,,,,,well there again not in my club,probably have the opposite effect
:roll:

[kiwi bowler]

yes bowls seems to be still behind the current times.

If we want to get more members we need to change with the times:wink:

[Skippy]

G'day,

What can I say, you might of expected this in old Blighty!! so sad to see this attitude in these enlightened Islands!!!!

I'll look into it and report back with any further info!!!

Have a good day,:D

Skippy

[Angel]

G'day,

What can I say, you might of expected this in old Blighty!! so sad to see this attitude in these enlightened Islands!!!!

I'll look into it and report back with any further info!!!

Have a good day,:D

Skippy
Don't look into it too much Skippy,:D she was wearing regulation clothes, and they still objected, too many old Biddy's around need to move with the times Angel

[Angel]

shorts mightbring on the revealing clothes,what a boost to the membership that would be,,,,,,well there again not in my club,probably have the opposite effect
:roll:
That's naughty Wrong Bias, all the ladies in my club are a size 10, wonder what your chaps, would look like in shorts:roll:might need a double after that sight, ridiculous rules for the ladies.:mad:

[wrong bias]

shorts might
That's naughty Wrong Bias, all the ladies in my club are a size 10, wonder what your chaps, would look like in shorts:roll:might need a double after that sight, ridiculous rules for the ladies.:mad:thank god we are not allowed to wear shorts,double coming up:)

[Skippy]

G'day again all you Bowlers,

Thanks Roo for this post have been enjoying the research.

Most press coverage is blaming the 'oldies' struggling with younger members, dare I say 'attractive', better not.

Anyway have found the offending photo that is an infringement of the dress code!!!!

Be prepared to be SHOCKED!!!!!

[wrong bias]

is that it,,:confused:

[Surfer]

Like the Skort, think they should be made compulsory, for all ladies. only joking, would never bowl a good wood again if this happened, some of our ladies are pretty wholesome, sorry ladies, think i prefer the cropped trousers.:p:p

[Sam]

is that it,,:confused:
Think this is it, not sure if its shorts or skort, all right if its shorts, would certainly put of the hardened bowler, going to get one tomorrow. bril:D:D

[Blondie]

Watched a Lady bowling up at Donyatt ,bowling club Somerset, she was a really good experienced bowler, playing in a mixed competition, and wearing a thong under white trousers, it was very noticeable, and it did put the men off their game, not sure if this is fair.:rolleyes: tempted to try it myself, not sure if it would have the same effect. blondie.

[kiwi bowler]

just seen the picture of what Julie had on, can't see anything wrong with it:confused: At least she wasn't wearing what some of the Tennis players wear

[Wet Gear]

Wonderful thought Julie looked great, about time the ladies got some style into their dress code, might get some younger women to join, pity some old biddies, had to complain, just plain jealous..

[Oldie]

I might be an 'Oldie', but I don't support Queensland's approach to let these scantly clad women on the Green.
In my day standards were everything, now we have no standards just look what has happened top our society!! it's just not safe to walk out in the evening!!
My George is an umpire, he just can't keep his mind on foot faulting etc with half naked women running around the green!!

Glad they saw sense at last and requested a more decent bowling attire.

Sorry unable to agree with most of you,

Oldie :rolleyes:

[wrong bias]

sorry oldie ,definately dont agree with you,there is nobody more set in their old ways than me ,but if you dont get rid of these outdated rules bowls has had it,,it is trailing behind badly when compared to other sports,even the top bowlers get less prizemoney than other top sportsmen and women, im talking about the likes of alex marshall and other top bowlers

[Oldie]

Thanks 'Wrong Bias', could expect no more from Scotland!!

We hear your more relaxed moral standards result in a good strong
'A S B.O.' for muggings etc,

The point is, and I have seen it all before, when you drop your standards you have to go a long way down before you realize what has happened.

Hope you don't feel upset with my forthright views, have been brought up with decent standards & this is what I think!!!

Have a great day weather is fine here:cool:

[wrong bias]

hi oldie no problem with your opinions,,i dont know what you mean about the remark about scotland though,,morale standards have been falling since corporal punishment was removed from schools,,no respect any more just my opinion,,, weather here bright fairly warm but an easterly wind is keeping the temp down keep up the debate good stuff:)

[kiwi bowler]

Still can't see anything wrong with what's she is wearing! On a hot day in Aussie it's probaly more relaxing to wear something like this too.

By the way it's wet and cold in Auckland the morning.

[kiwi bowler]

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[Angry Women]

A great thread!!
Have inserted below a newspaper report from 9 years ago!!!!!!!! have we won yet, NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Repect your view Oldie, but your Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!

Read the report!! am I wrong?????????????????
http://www.abc.net.au/news/graphics/space.gifhttp://www.abc.net.au/7.30/img/toplinegr.gif Transcript
2/06/99
Women split on lawn bowls etiquette

KERRY O'BRIEN: In Queensland, the comparatively genteel sport of lawn bowls is being torn apart by an ugly brawl over sexual discrimination.

A group of angry women is taking the sport's hierarchy to task over what it claims is an archaic set of rules.

The women want more relaxed dress rules and a code of conduct that applies equally to both sexes.

But, as Bernard Bowen reports, their quarrel is not with men but with other women:

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: You know, it is important to have democracy, and we don't have it.

BERNARD BOWEN: That's not a very good...

ANGRY WOMAN: I told you I do not want photos taken of my ladies.

BERNARD BOWEN: The normally tranquil greens of Brisbane's Buranda Bowls Club have become a battlefield, in a fight over sexual equality. It's led to some rather unseemly behaviour.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: It's a sport, there shouldn't be fighting.We come for a game of bowls to relax, you know, not to get in among a little Mafia mob.

BERNARD BOWEN: Kathleen Rafferty is one of five younger lady bowlers who are challenging the sport's establishment.Their main complaint is the dress code which they claim is biased against women.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: Shorts, for instance, now. A man will wear a nice long pair of shorts in the game, but not over the knee.

And I can't see why my knees would be more immoral than the man playing opposite me, you know?

BERNARD BOWEN: Kathleen and her supporters are also sick and tired of having to undergo spot checks to see whether they're complying with the petticoat rule.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: Any lady that's going to walk over to another lady and lift up her dress to see if she's got a petticoat on, it's actually slightly sick, but we won' t get into that one.

We're not back in convents, where we've got to kneel on the desk to see the length of your uniform. And we don't want short, shorts and we don't want short, short uniforms -- just a little bit of choice.

BERNARD BOWEN: Jackie McWhinney is another of the rebels who is fed up.

JACKIE McWHINNEY: Oh, there's just so many things. Like, I had a bowls cloth hanging out of my pocket, and the men always do that -- ladies aren't allowed to.

BERNARD BOWEN: So what happened?

JACKIE McWHINNEY: Well, I got told I had to get off the green if I didn't put that bowls cloth in a pocket.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: And then there's the hat issue.

I think that's a real bone of contention with younger women, because they're very aware that in Queensland you must wear a hat, but not if there's a gale-force wind.

I mean, it's ludicrous having to put your hand up and stop two games to ask permission from Madam President.

BERNARD BOWEN: You had to put your hand up to ask permission to take your hat off?

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: You had to leave your rink -- stop your game, leave your rink and go over and stop Madam President's game and put your hand up and say, "May I remove my hat?" It's ludicrous, isn't it?

JACKIE McWHINNEY: There's so many rules the ladies have got. It's just ridiculous. You know, there's not many young women coming into the club because of all these rules. There's a hell of a lot of young blokes.

BERNARD BOWEN: Cigarettes are another sore point. While men can smoke while they are playing, the women are forbidden.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: That's like a husband and wife going into a restaurant and going into a smoking area and the restaurateur saying the lady can't smoke but the man can.

BERNARD BOWEN: In this campaign for equality there's an unusual twist.
It's pitting women against women, with the men seemingly siding with the reformers.

JOHN MULCAHY: My own opinion is that I support them for the fact that I really think that some of the rules the ladies got are archaic and should have been changed a long, long time ago.

CHRIS ANDERSON: Most of the men consider these rules outdated, need to be changed to get a bit of a life and younger people back playing for the ladies division.

BERNARD BOWEN: If the men don't have to wear hats but the ladies have to wear hats, if the men can smoke and the ladies can't, on the face of it, that's discrimination, isn't it?

KAREN WALTERS, QLD ANTI-DISCRIMINATION COMMISSIONER: It seems to me like that, yes.

BERNARD BOWEN: If the women have to wear shorts below the knee, does that on the surface appear to be discriminatory?

KAREN WALTERS: I'd say so, I'd say so.

BERNARD BOWEN: Even though she's Queensland's Anti-Discrimination Commissioner, Karen Walters doesn't have the power to adjudicate the issue. That's because the State discrimination laws don't cover rules affecting club members.

Are these sporting clubs like the last bastions of discrimination?

KAREN WALTERS: Look, from a State perspective, to some extent, yes, the archaic activities in their service provision to members are sanctioned simply because they can't come within the parameters of the State legislation.

BERNARD BOWEN: But Karen Walters warns the clubs that Federal legislation does apply and that's exactly where this dispute could be heading.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: That we have a massive amount of women that are actually, they support us, but they fear the ramifications if they are outspoken like ourselves.

BERNARD BOWEN: Kathleen Rafferty and her band claim they've been subjected to a campaign of harassment, including abusive phone calls and expulsion from the Queensland Ladies Bowls Association.

The 7:30 Report approached the Association and Buranda Ladies Club officials for comment but were refused.

ANGRY BOWLS CLUB MEMBER: Please take your cameras away or I will get the police to do so.

BERNARD BOWEN: Despite bringing the issue to a head, the reformers make no apologies.

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: It's a brilliant, magic sport, so yep, we're going to win.

[Blondie]

Do not agree with you Angry Women, when i started bowling, An official lady member came into the changing rooms bent down and ran her hand down my leg, thought she had gone mad or was some sort of pervert, barked at me are you wearing tights, it was the middle of August and scorching hot, had to go down to Village shop and buy some, it was only some sort of friendly, moved on a bit since then, us Ladies need to keep moving.:rolleyes:

[Surfer]

Think the shorts, are more like the ladies in my club Kiwi Bowler, definitely in trouble, shall have to be extra nice to my lady members, don't mean it ladies, think the men have better knees thats why the ladies have got to cover up, bit like Victorian times when ladies ankles were supposed to drive men wild.:p:p

[Angry Women]

Keep it going, the silent majority need to have their say & put an end to the newspaper jibes, like below!!!

How many 'LEGHORNS' are out there??


SYDNEY (Reuters) - Lawn bowls has long had the reputation of a genteel game enjoyed mainly by the grey hair set, but a visit to a buzzing Sydney club on a sunny Saturday paints a very different picture.
The traditional white bowlers' uniform, which earned lawn bowlers the disparaging nickname "leghorns" referring to old chickens bent over feeding, are nowhere to be seen.

Angry Women:(:o

[Bigbear]

KATHLEEN RAFFERTY: Shorts, for instance, now. A man will wear a nice long pair of shorts in the game, but not over the knee.

And I can't see why my knees would be more immoral than the man playing opposite me, you know

Got to agree with this can't see the difference the ladies rules are daft, some ladies just like to have their own way, my knees are a bit more knobbly much prefer to see the ladies, don't think i would swoon at my age over a pair of knees.:roll:

[Silver]

Just had a look at post by Angry Woman, cant see the difference between men and woman knees, load of rubbish, the ladies have such a thing about dress code, they complain about no Young ladies joining, cant blame them, when will they start to take notice, know I'm repeating myself.:confused:

[Flyfire]

Just had a look at post by Angry Woman, cant see the difference between men and woman knees, load of rubbish, the ladies have such a thing about dress code, they complain about no Young ladies joining, cant blame them, when will they start to take notice, know I'm repeating myself.:confused:

What a fuss about nothing, don't think this bit of ladies clothing would suit, the majority of ladies, think the cropped trousers, make some bowlers look huge across the rear end, much better with the regulation skirt, might be a bit old fashioned with my views,

[thedog]

Keep it going, the silent majority need to have their say & put an end to the newspaper jibes, like below!!!

How many 'LEGHORNS' are out there??


SYDNEY (Reuters) - Lawn bowls has long had the reputation of a genteel game enjoyed mainly by the Grey hair set, but a visit to a buzzing Sydney club on a sunny Saturday paints a very different picture.
The traditional white bowlers' uniform, which earned lawn bowlers the disparaging nickname "leghorns" referring to old chickens bent over feeding, are nowhere to be seen.

Angry Women:(:o



Think this is a bit much, people are getting obsessed with what us lady Bowler wear, its how we can play the game, and our skill on the green, Bowls is a great leveler, you can be eighty or thirty, age is no barrier, like to see what some of these people look when they are eighty, probably sitting in front of the tele, too large to move, at least we keep fit,

[Jane]

Think i could be a leghorn, bit of a large one, bet i have more fun, than a lot of the people who think up these nick names, want to try playing the sport, be interesting to see how they look after two or three games, bet they would be crawling off the green,:D:D

[Angel]

Got to agree with you Jane, its pretty tiring, the ladies have started to play only two games in the county competitions, thats in the paires:rolleyes:, not sure about the rest, makes sense to space them out, thats if you win.

[kiwi bowler]

Yes Angel, I agree with you. I remember earlier in the year after playing a weekend of pairs I was very tired plus I also had sore legs.

[Angel]

Got a couple of artificial greens here, in the summer they really draw your feet, so different from grass, if you play a few game in a day, you need to put your feet up for an hour or so, all the ladies complain about it.:(:(

[kiwi bowler]

Yes that's it:), because when I lived in the Far north of NZ (at Tokerau Beach) my local bowling club at Oruru had a Star Weed green and I never got sore legs.

[Crabie]

Your dead right Jane, if they haven't played the sport,they don,t know what their talking about.

[Oldie]

Some of my friends have followed this thread & think I have portrayed myself as an old traditionalist and gave the impression that I resent young pretty girls getting all the attention, nothing is further from the truth!!!!

To help clarify I fully support all initiatives to help young people join our sport, if fact I was fully behind the initiative bellow;

'Chris Derksema plays a shot during a game of barefoot lawn bowls at a bowling club in Manly in Sydney April 22, 2007. Lawn bowls has long had the reputation of a genteel game played by the grey haired set but young bowlers in bare feet and wearing casual clothes are taking to the manicured lawns in increasing numbers'.

Hope this clarify my position & only want to uphold standards!!!!!

[Angel]

Love the idea, bit cold with our weather, not allowed to wear sandals, don,t stand much chance of getting away with bare foot bowling.:confused::confused:

[peter]

Not sure about this bare foot bowling could be a few sore toes around, on our greens, got a few Skips who like firing don't hit anything:wink: but no one is safe on the end of the rinks.

[Angel]

Just had another look at bare foot bowler, changed my mind he has lovely legs, might not be a bad idea after all, be interesting to see what some of the chaps legs look like, i can get in trouble for this bye:D:D

[kiwi bowler]

Would have been a bit cold today in bare feet:p

But if some of the Ladies played in bare feet would we then see different coloured toe nails?:grin::wink:

[Sam]

Thats not a bad idea, just realized how we can beat the men again this year, thats if all the ladies agree, the weather should be a lot warmer, at the end of the season, bare foot bowling with multi colored toe nails, should take their mind off the game, thanks Kiwi Bowler:p:p:p HOPE THEY DONT FIRE.

[kiwi bowler]

http://www.smilecity.co.nz/img/smlWave.gif (javascript:aS(':)*')) Hi Sam, yes that would put me off my bowls:wink::D

And how's your bowling going anyway?

[Sam]

Hi Kiwi Bowler, my bowling is not going that well, i do try, but i think if i relaxed more, it would be better, when i see someones bowl next to the jack i tend to put on more weight, and miss everything, so frustrating, know i shouldn't do this, but when i take weight off I'm short, some people are just naturals, got the club competitions to come yet am thinking of pulling out, might just sit on the side with a nice glass of wine bowl better from there.:cool::cool:

[kiwi bowler]

Hi Kiwi Bowler, my bowling is not going that well, i do try, but i think if i relaxed more, it would be better, when i see someones bowl next to the jack i tend to put on more weight, and miss everything, so frustrating, know i shouldn't do this, but when i take weight off I'm short, some people are just naturals, got the club competitions to come yet am thinking of pulling out, might just sit on the side with a nice glass of wine bowl better from there.:cool::cool:

Hi Sam, don't worry about a bowl next to the jack before yours, still just draw to the jack. If you are only one down you won't do any harm and you might end up with the shot:wink:

[Sam]

Hi thanks for that, i do try, got a game later today, and am just going to try for second bowl, its so hard you can just see the jack, and Wacke off you go, my skip is getting fed up with me, will let you know how i get on, have you looked at the joke section lately, some crackers on there, must tell our captain, they are always looking for jokes for the speeches,bye for now Sam:D:D

[Sam]

Hi its Sam again, meant to ask how your own bowling competitions are going, let me know if you win any silver this year, bye for now.:D:D

[kiwi bowler]

Hi its Sam again, meant to ask how your own bowling competitions are going, let me know if you win any silver this year, bye for now.:D:D

Hi there, we are sort of opposite to you as we had our closing day approx 4 weeks ago.
Anyway I only came back to bowls mid way through last season after been away from the game for 3 years.
But I did play in 2 Champs, the pairs and triples In the triples 2 guys in their late 80's asked me to skip them and we did very well. We even upset the top team along the way and ended up in the finals before losing. But we were very happy with our result. :grin:
I going to try and play as much bowls as I can over our winter, so I will be more bowls ready when our bowls season starts in September.:wink:

[Oldie]

Hi All,

Funny how a subject such as 'Dress Code', should create so many views/posts!!!!!

Anyway I still believe in proper standards, have attached a photo on how it was in my day. Women were certainly happier, feel sorry for the poor old men of today, they marry these new women how want to be the 'man'.

Hope you like the photo, could accept that the hem could be an inch or so shorter!

Thanks Oldie:wink:

[wrong bias]

well ,what can you say,

[Angel]

well I'm only five foot two, i don't want to think what i would look like wearing that,,bet you could just see my ankles, probably end up breaking one, not sure what to say.:(

[Bigbear]

Got to admit this could be my sort of woman, wouldn't want to argue, with her if she said she was holding, i would say yes, without measuring, looks a bit fierce,Bigbear.:mad:

[kiwi bowler]

Thanks Oldie for putting up the photo...

[Surfer]

Reckon i could concentrate on my bowls, if the ladies wore this sort of outfit, think they have an unfair advantage with the cropped trousers, too tight by half.:rolleyes: sorry girls.

[Silver]

Just had a look at the picture, takes me back a few years, but not that many, you could be right, you ladies need to be a bit more, demure in your dress attire, sport is sport after all, not a fashion show, know i sound a old so and so.:D

[Sam]

Love the picture, Oldie, just great,glad we've moved on a few years, with the dress code, got any of the male bowlers.:p

[wrong bias]

just out of interest when was that pic taken,you must be a great age oldie if that was your day,:cool:

[Oldie]

just out of interest when was that pic taken,you must be a great age oldie if that was your day,:cool:

Well wrong Bias, you just know how to make a women feel good!!!!!!!.

To help your curiosity it was my mothers club, where I was taught the great game of bowls, & men would ask questions in a more gentlemanly manor, like 'the photo must have faded in the Sun'!!!!:grin:

Your interest is greatly appreciated!

Oldie

[wrong bias]

well you said it was your day ,sorry

[Bigbear]

Got to say sorry Oldie, did not realize it could be a relative, do apologies,no offense meant, did think it was taken some years ago, I know if they are Bowlers, they must be lovely people, Big Bear.